“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
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“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
I'm pretty sure the government can run our health care really well. They've done a bang up job on everything else. Love the penalties. Really looking forward to paying for this.
can i get on medicaid and call that 'acceptable insurance'?
ReplyDeleteNo, you can't. That's going to be cut to hell.
ReplyDeleteSo it is ok for the government to run the military, the police force, The FBI, The CIA, responsible for our roads, bridges, watch out for terrorism etc etc, but now they are suddenly too incompetent to run healthcare?
ReplyDeleteThat makes no sense. Based on your logic, then the government should not run anything in this country and we should all fend for ourselves, right?
No man, what I'm saying is when they get on the "business" side of things, it won't work out well.
ReplyDeleteLet me ask you a question. Do you have health insurance?
Also, you think there should be mandated fines?
Like my brother has said, the reason people support Republicans and the crooked corporations that they protect is because somewhere in their head they think they are going to be that guy in the future. They think they are going to be the next guy that gets rich off of scamming the people below them.
ReplyDeleteA normal decent logical person should want their fellow man to have healthcare, food and shelter. I would really have to question the decency and morality of anyone that would not want that for their fellow man.
Decency and morality? Look I think healthcare for everyone is nice, I just don't think this is going to work out well. That's why I posted the part about the fines. You think that will be enforceable? Nowhere did I write, "Healtchare for everyone is a shit idea."
ReplyDeleteIt was implied.
ReplyDeleteYour bad photo of Pelosi trying to demonize her was pretty clear not to mention your rush to point out the negative points of the bill.
I am so tired of the retarded nonsense in this country about socialism and all that nonsense.
I grew up in a country that had free healthcare and education, even university and it is doing quite well still. Some of the most expensive real estate in the world is located there. My family had a very large home and many luxury cars there and many others did also.
My father is a physician and he supports healthcare reform. The majority of his brothers and sisters live in "socialist" Canada including my 96 year old grandfather and you know how many times they have called him and asked him to come help them in Canada because they are getting poor care or bad medical advice? Never.
I'm going to have to agree with Anon 100% on this.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, and my aunts and uncles that live in poor "socialist" Canada all have large homes and BMWs and so on. Five more years and I am out of this country. I cannot wait.
ReplyDeleteThe ignorance and greed here is stifling.
So now I'm ignorant and greedy? Nowhere did I say "socialism" either. Also, I got this post up fast because I submitted it to Fark. So type in Nancy Pelosi in Google Images, it's the first pic that comes up.
ReplyDeleteI'll go change it now.
My best friend and one of my neighbors are die hard Republicans that were against healthcare reform and so on.
ReplyDeleteMy friend's mom was a nurse and they had saved a lot of money and did everything right or so they thought. Then his mom got cancer and her treatment before she died was over a million dollars. He is now very much in favor of healthcare reform now.
My neighbor's husband had a great government job and benefits and so on. Then he got laid off and had to take a private sector job where the benefits were not as good. She got sick this summer and was hit with massive medical bills that even though they were covered by insurance, they had to pay huge co-pays. They are also not in favor of healthcare reform.
People should not have to go bankrupt and lose everything because they get sick.
And I know a lot of people try to blame the physicians for the healthcare cost but that is bs. My father's salary from 1992 to now has only increased 25%. In the case of many specialists it has actually gone down from the levels in the 80's.
*they are now also in favor of healthcare reform*
ReplyDeleteWe had a doctor here in Mountain Home who had his license revoked about a month ago for running 82 different test procedures on one patient. Where he fucked up was misreading who was paying for it. The patient had private insurance, instead of Medicare. Had this been a Medicare patient nothing would have been. said.
ReplyDeleteBecause of the political bent of my radio station, I end up attending "Town Hall" meetings and TEA Parties. What amazes me me is that the people who are most vocal against a public option are almost universally recieving either Medicare or VA benefits, seemingly not understanding that both are government funded healthcare.
While I favor healthcare reform, I'm pretty sure this bill isn't the answer. I used to think I favored a public option, but now I think that increased regulation of our current system (forcing the health insurance companies to do right, removing their ability to deny coverage for pre-exsisting conditions, regulating their executive pay, etc) might be an answer. Removing the health insurers exemption from antitrust legislation is probably the best part of this bill. I also feel that the doctors' claim they must practice "defensive medicine" is bullshit and is simply a way to increase income through increased test procedures (my 79 year old dad has had 4 CAT scans this year because the doctors were "unwilling to accept another doctor's interptretation of the results". I can't support "malpractice reform" after reading a report that says physcian and hospital errors kill 4 times as many Americans as traffic accidents every year.
I think this bill is a "we had to do something" compromise and isn't worth a bucket of warm spit.
Btw, if you've ever been to the Service Desk at Wal Mart in a retirement community, "Death Panels" suddenly seem like a pretty good idea.
And, while I veiw myself as a liberal Democrat, I think Nancy Pelosi is a fucking idiot and is indicative of why this country will be better off when California falls off into the ocaen and is longer able to foist its lunatics off on the rest of us.
ReplyDelete*view* and *ocean*.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the new healthcare bill covers Pelicanitis?
Sorry Spurs, but I'm with Anon, DG and mostly CBT on this one.
ReplyDeleteWhat's up CBT?
ReplyDeleteHey Francis.
ReplyDeleteThis should be called the "Health Insurance Company Enrichment Bill" and the Senate's version is worse. I seriously disagree with the penalties mandated by either of the bills.
ReplyDeleteThe CBT Health Care Reform Proposal:
ReplyDeleteRegulate the health insurance companies, requiring them to cover all Americans regardless of medical history. Base the premiums on a percentage of the insured's income, with limits (some will argue that the wealthy pay to susidize the poor, I have no problem with that, and, to placate the wealthy, cap the income the percentage is based on, say the first $500,000 per year). No deductibles, no co-pays, complete drug coverage, no exclusions. People and families below an as yet to be determined income level recieve free coverage.
Require doctors and hospitals to share test results and medical histories to eliminate duplicate test procedures.
Ban drug manufacturers from advertising.
While we're at it, reform the tax system, too. Do away with the current structure and establish a flat tax rate on all individuals and corporations, universal on all types of income. That would save billions just because the IRS could be cut to 1/100th of its current size because of the simplification of oversight. No deductions, no differences between regular income and capital gains, etc. Require all companies to pay taxes on the income generated by doing business in the US, regardless of where they're chartered. The only exception would be major tax incentives to companies that move manufacturing and tech jobs back to the US.
Also, outlaw automated phone answering sysytem and make it a Federal law that a human being had to answer the telephone at every business and government agency in this country. That would reduce the unemployment rate by a few percentage points immediately and probably drop the collective anger level of the entire country. Road rage would also be eliminated because of the drop in collective frustration levels.
Require every lawmaker in this country to work at some shit job for one month out of every year of their term. I'm thinking convenience store clerk or the drive through at Mickey D's. During that month they would have to live in a studio apartment and drive a 1983 Oldsmobile Cutlass with a primer colored driver's door, and hit and miss starter, a pine tree air freshner hanging from the cracked rear view mirror and AC that works only intermittently (the month would be August). During this month, they would have no access to their own money and have to live off minimum wage.
These measures would go a long way to making things right in this country again.
Require all children, who are in the correct age range, of all lawmakers to serve in the Army or Marine Corps, preferably in a combat ready unit, during the term of the lawmaker.
ReplyDeleteThose are actually some good ideas CBT. You should run for mayor in your town...haha
ReplyDeleteI am not against immigration, but I am against illegal immigration. In one huge operation, even if it requires the declaration of Martial Law in order to utilize the military, round up every illegal alien in the country and send them back where they come from. That said, we also have to face the reality that this is a bilingual country, English and Spanish, and our schools should reflect that.
ReplyDeleteRequire that all businesses who offer support or customer service by phone only hire people whose original language is English or Spanish.
Francis, I'm pretty much unelectable. The only politician I've found who agrees with any of this is Mike Huckabee and I have a problem with him because he's a Baptist preacher by trade. Huckabee wants to replace the IRS witha national sales tax. I prefer Steve Forbes flat tax idea.
ReplyDeleteLegalize and tax marijuana. The taxes raised alone would shrink the Federal deficiet significantly and the savings from reduced enforcement costs would be significant also. It would also remove the major source of the Central American Drug Cartels income, helping to stabilize Mexico by reducing their influence and power. It would also provide jobs for weed farmers.
ReplyDeleteTo avoid situations like our current Recession, reform Wall Street and the banking industry. Immediately ban "high to low" transaction posting by bank. Its nothing more than a way to increase OD fees. Ban the bundling and reselling of mortgages as securities and require the originating lender to hold the mortgage for its full term. Institute a cap on Credit Card interest rates and put limits on consumer credit availibilty based on a universal percentage of income.
ReplyDeleteI also don't buy into the "best and brightest" argument that certain corporations make as an excuse for excessive executive compensation. If your corporation was hiring the "best and brightest" it wouldn't have needed a bailout from the fucking government.
ReplyDeleteOne argument I hear is that the things I advocate infringe on "freedom". The average American is simply too goddamned stupid to survive "freedom", but he also needs to be protected from exploitation and oppression by corporate America.
ReplyDeleteanon: to your "ignorance and greed" comment, I'd like to add gluttony and sense of entitlement.
ReplyDeleteI'm not arguing for absolution from the consequences of poor decision making, either, for individuals or corporations. However, the concept of the "No Doc" loan (for example) boggles my mind. Yeah, people bought houses they couldn't afford, but the lenders removed the checks and balances necessary to insure that they would get repaid.
ReplyDeletecbt, shut the fuck up, you're only talking to yourself, as usual.
ReplyDeleteWhen you go to the doctor, the waiting room is probably filled with clucking chickens, as the doctors there draw no distinction between goats and humans. And in your case, there really is none, so who can blame 'em?
you're just an overinflated windbag...save it for your specified airtime on the lame ass radio station that you boast owning a 1/1000th percentile of.
give me a fucking break.
Anonymous and RQ: This country has problems with ignorance, greed, gluttony and senses of entitlement, true. However if you both find it so "stifling", pack your shit and go. You both act like you have the means to do so.
ReplyDeletewho here is reading CBT's long comments.
ReplyDeletenobody. They see his name followed by 50 lines of tripe and scroll down to the next post.
Just like people do when you are on the radio, they change the fucking channel.
this country has benefits, which would be wonderful if the general philosophies of the people would change.
ReplyDeletedo you water your astroturf out of boredom?
RQ: Your clucking chickens and goat remarks are as old the ones about you having a penis. Everyone here has become aware that you are a bitter, angry old looney toon whose comments have become redundant and meaningless.
ReplyDeleteyou have no basis for comparison, CBT. Anon and I do, so perhaps it is YOU people like YOU who are making ignorant statements in your steadfast ignorant opposition to all change. So set in your ways that everything is "scary" to you.
ReplyDeletePeople of your ilk, you get paranoid when your mailman is sick and they send in a substitute. you probably have a rifle aimed at him while he is stuffing the mail in your rusty mailbox.
oh shut up, I make very valid arguments and far exceed you in all elements related to class, culture, social structure, education. My opinions are gleaned from living abroad and vast travel...not from consulting a confederacy of dunces to see what can be complained about today because there is just nothing better to do but fucking complain, find a forum, and then spew all over said forum till people get sick of listening.
ReplyDeleteand in between your invalid political rants, you spew off about pussy.
ReplyDeleteI mean you are what i wrong with america.
shining example of being STUCK, unable to move forward, scared, timid, afraid of change.
ReplyDeletefuck you, CBT.
President Obama should bring back Cash for Clunkers, but this time we can trade in people like you. We'll swap you out for someone better from another country. That way we can weed out all those that are in the way of positive change.
I have to go. Basically, shut your old tired clunker ass up, CBT.
ReplyDeleteadios <---is that what they say in Guatamala??
"President Obama should bring back Cash for Clunkers, but this time we can trade in people like you. We'll swap you out for someone better from another country."
ReplyDeleteThat was funny.
"RQ's rotten toothed mouth spewed...
ReplyDeleteoh shut up, I make very valid arguments and far exceed you in all elements related to class, culture, social structure, education. My opinions are gleaned from living abroad and vast travel..."
You make personal attacks, not valid arguments. I've been to Seattle and to Phoenix/Scottsdale so I've seen how people live there. You, however, have never been here so you have no idea what you're talking about.
"class, culture, social structure, education"
All that and a buck fifty will buy you a cup of coffee. The real truth is that people like you, who have the supreme sense of entitlement, are what's wrong with this country. The fact that the offspring of Nazis thinks her opinion matters to a real citizen of this nation is laughable.
Go back abroad. We neither need or desire people like you here.
Btw, even the Guats wouldn't stick a dick you, Queenie.
ReplyDeleteJust curious being an unemployed deadbeat non-contributor to society RQ, do you have healthcare?
ReplyDeleteI have a profession, and of course I have health care. Blue Cross/Blue Shield and MetLife for dental.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your profession?
ReplyDeleteAs far as my root canal, at least i have all my teeth and will for the rest of my life.
ReplyDeleteI cannot imagine what life is like for a carnivorous creature like you, CBT. You must get splinters in all your food from your wooden teeth. Then again, I guess you can make toothpicks out of those splinters and save yourself some money.
Bet if I came to your town, everyone would be walking around with fucking toothpicks in their mouths, at the grocery store, at the gas station...buncha fucking lowlifes.
And, as far as you've been to Scottsdale, Phoenix and Seattle and you see how "we people live"...It's called civilization you fucking dumbass.
I'm not going to reiterate my profession, Francis.
ReplyDeleteI had taken a year off of my work due to certain circumstances. That was my first time off ever, with exception of appropriate vacations
ReplyDeleteI got ya.....so you were fired. It's cool it happens to a lot of people.
ReplyDeleteand, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is something fundamentally wrong with a country that has a multi BILLION dollar football stadium and people starving on the streets.
ReplyDeletefired? no, I'm self-employed.
ReplyDeletethat is funny, though. Obviously I could never have a boss since I would probably have problems taking directives, being I'm smarter than most people.
ReplyDeleteI got ya......am-way
ReplyDeleteno, I could not ever imagine having a boss telling me what do to.
ReplyDeleteyeah, actually it's Mary K. I even have the pink refrigerator.
ReplyDeletei bet you could use some makeup? for when you play dress up in your wife's clothing?
ReplyDeleteCan I interest you in some rouge?
Badass......pink infiniti as well?
ReplyDeletei do not like you making fun of me, Francis.
ReplyDeleteI have to go now. Good bye.
I'll take some toner if you have it
ReplyDelete......but you like to make fun of and pick on everyone else......ok
ReplyDeleteyou're mean spirited and your request for toner is hereby denied.
ReplyDeletesigh..i've said it before and I'll say it again. If picking on people coincides with the truth, it is not my fault.
ReplyDeleteFrancis, Avery said ahe's an ex Taco Bell manager.
ReplyDeleteAs far as your concept of my town, you're completely off the mark. I've spent way more time in civilization than I have here.
Also, there was no criticism involved in my comment about how people live there. I just said I've seen it.
I'm comfortable in any situation from a Fortune 500 board room to a goat roast at a trailer park. I'm not impressed by the trappings of superficiality the "upper crust" deems to be important. What matters to me is how people relate to others as human beings. Anyone who believes that money, education and Belgian chocolate makes them better than someone else is a waste of skin. Most of these people you call "lowlifes" would give a person in need the shirt off their back. That makes them superior to someone who knows what fork goes with what course at dinner.
I'm not mean spirited......I just like to give you a hard time about your unemployment
ReplyDelete"Rocket Queen said...
ReplyDeleteand, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is something fundamentally wrong with a country that has a multi BILLION dollar football stadium and people starving on the streets."
That is a statement with which I'm in perfect agreement.
i'm so brilliant
ReplyDelete"RQ said...
ReplyDeletepeople are driven by self-preservation and self-sacrifice is rare unless in the mother/child scenario.
give it a fucking rest you complete and utter moron."
Maybe in your world, not here. I see it everyday and am amazed by it. My time in civilization made me as jaded and cynical as you. I think the reason here is that the retirees are from a generation influenced by the sacrifices of World War 2 and the locals do it because of an interdependency nurtured by generations of familiarity.
Whatever happened to Avon? Is that still around? I remember this lady when I was little always coming over every month wearing skorts and would always give me free chapstick. She was cool.
ReplyDeleteI have been to Seattle, live in Phoenix, and have been all over Arkansas as well. So should I be able to fight this keyboard war better than both of you?
How are you today Francis?
RQ, I suspect that you read nothing I wrote or you'd remember that, whether you like it or not, politically we agree more than we disagree.
ReplyDeleteDG,
ReplyDeleteI'm doing good. How is your weekend going?
Really DG, you've been here? Where?
ReplyDeleteNot bad at all. I'm just getting ready to go for a hike. The weather is beautiful here today.
ReplyDeleteThat's cool. Shockingly the weather is awesome in STL today for Nov........70 I probably need to do something more productive than goof off on-line.
ReplyDeleteWeather here is beautiful, too. 74, not a cloud in the sky.
ReplyDeleteWe have driven all over that state. We always had a motorhome, boat, and my brother had a couple jet skis. We used to stay in Rogers, AR. I've been to Eureka Springs and everywhere else on whatever road that leads from Rogers to Branson. It's actually very beautiful in the summer and fall.
ReplyDeleteI think I might go hit the park and take my dog for a walk.
ReplyDeleteIt's 73 here. It got too hot earlier this week but now it's perfect.
ReplyDeleteRusty right? I like him because he is a cubs fan. I really want to get a puppy but I'm trying to hold out for my favorite two dogs to hurry up and get it on because I want their puppy.
ReplyDeleteEureka is about 70 miles west of here. So is Branson, but Northwest. Rogers is ok, it's a suburb of Fayetteville, or maybe Bentonville, now. Ever go to Bull Shoals Lake or Lake Norfork?
ReplyDeleteThat is right DG, good memory. I think I am going to take him to the park. I'll catch up with you all later.....
ReplyDeleteAnnabelle and Echo killed another skunk last night and got sprayed again. Everytime I get the skunk smell off them, they kill another one. I think they enjoy smelling like that.
ReplyDeleteI thought the name of the lake was Roger's Lake but I could be wrong. It wasn't far from the Walmart museum I remember. I just liked it alot because the water was always warm and very clear and our campsite was always right on the water.
ReplyDeleteWe went to other lakes as well but I was young and just was along for the ride so I didn't pay attention.
I need to go over and check on Momma and Daddy and feed for the old man since he's down in his back. He's a stubborn old fart, rebuilt the floor of his fucking cattle trailer and hurt himself and won't sit still long enough to heal up.
ReplyDeleteDG: Probably Beaver Lake or maybe Weddington from the description. Branson would have been Lake Taneycomo. Ever go to Silver Dollar City?
ReplyDeleteIt was Beaver Lake. And yes I have been to Silver Dollar City but I have also been to Dollywood in Gatlinburg and they are so similar I can't remember the difference between the two.
ReplyDeleteI have seen just about every part of the country from all the traveling we did. There are only 5 states I have yet to see. RI, MS, AL, CT, and AK.
In Eureka Springs there is some lookout tower you can climb for a couple dollars. I used to be really afraid of heights. I remember climbing this thing and the higher I went the more scared I got. I was crawling up and hanging on for my life about half way up when I finally gave up and had to go back down. If you know the thing I'm talking about you would laugh because it really wasn't all that high in the first place.
ReplyDeletethis bill should have really been thought out alot better. if the person can not afford healthcare what makes the government think they can afford the fines? if the government wants to dictate healthcare they should provide affordable options.
ReplyDeleteExactly Anonymous. That was the point I was trying to make. I think healthcare for everyone is a noble goal, but I think if this bill actually goes through, it will really backfire.
ReplyDeleteshit is fucked up man. For instance, rich people should pay the same percentage of taxes as others. Why should they be penalized because they've worked fucking hard and made something of themselves. They are already paying more taxes based on their income than most, but why should they pay a higher percentage?
ReplyDeletefucking bullshit. Always penalize the hard workers to support the fucking lowlifes who want to sit on their arses on their astroturf porches.
if you want health insurance, get a fucking fulltime job. unless you are disabled, elderly or have some other compelling reason why you can't work fulltime.
ReplyDeletegive me give me give me give me.
ReplyDeleteleeches are the reason we have these problems and lack of work ethic.
No Hat CBT said...
ReplyDelete"Most of these people you call "lowlifes" would give a person in need the shirt off their back. That makes them superior to someone who knows what fork goes with what course at dinner."
I'm not sure I agree that "most" people would CBT, but I do agree with you 100% about the rest of your comment.
If RQ thinks things like having good table etiquette somehow make her "better" than other people, she is sadly mistaken. I feel sorry for people who are so empty and lost that they gain their self-worth from things that are so trivial in the "big scheme" of things.
good table etiquette? i eat like a slob.
ReplyDeleteI have the benefit of having been cultured and educated, and I do feel that gives me an advantage.
stop with your selfworth bullshit. That is all you and Elfie can ever talk about because you're a stupid idiotic woman. women are so stupid.
damn, women are so stupid with their idiotic self worth bullshit. like they've watched too much fucking oprah and dr. phil.
ReplyDeleteidiots. embarrassing to be a woman on many days of the week.
on behalf of dirty girl, i never hear her spewing that dumb shit, so that must be why i like her.
ReplyDeleteWell, politcal correctness is what got all those people shot up at Fort Hood, so you have a point there.
ReplyDeleteseriously, I feel for men, having to listen to this shit from women all the time. Fucking raging hormones and general malaise and aches and fucking pains and hurt feelings. walking on egg shells. because you're stupid and have nothing to fall back on except the same old song and dance.
ReplyDeletejust shut the fuck up JAG, you are not qualified to talk to me.
yeah, Spurs, it is outta control. It engenders strife and hostility.
ReplyDeletei don't really eat like a slob. well, when i'm out in public. yesterday i ate a whole six back of cinnabons. i unrolled them all and took out the frosting, fed the remnants to my dogs.
ReplyDeletei need to go on my hike. catch ya later, spurs.
ReplyDeleteLater.
ReplyDeleteRocket Queen said...
ReplyDelete"I have the benefit of having been cultured and educated..."
And that seems to be all you can ever talk about RQ. As if that constitutes some sort of contribution to the world. It only makes you sound like a snob who walks around with her nose up in the air. The world has plenty of those already. Is that how you want to be remembered or do you just not care?
Spurs, you ready for tonight?
ReplyDeleteJAG - Being a productive part of society is a contribution to the world. Where else will the entitlement group get their handouts from?
ReplyDeleteEV:
ReplyDeleteI agree being a productive part of society is a contribution. Maybe RQ does do productive things, but it's not reflected in her comments. All I see is her bragging about her priveleges and using them to put others down instead of being thankful for having been so blessed.
EV:
ReplyDeleteYes, it should be a great game.
Hey Spurs!
ReplyDeleteSorry, but I'm not going to comment on this, but I haven't been on in awhile, and I just saw Elfie's Halloween costume: WOW! Elfie you are such a hot beotch! :)
My bf keeps begging me to give him a threesome for his birthday, when are you visiting Houston again Elfie? hahaha! :)
Hey Queen Bee! I hope you are feeling better now.
ReplyDeleteNice to see the smiley faces back. Just missing the "lol."
ReplyDeleteWhy does it always have to be a game? I really meant what I said about we should be thankful for all we are blessed with. I'm probably not near as financially well off as RQ, but I know that Ive been blessed compared to lots of people in the world. I am very thankful for that. I don't think that makes me "better" than them though. Am I wrong to feel that way? Goodness.
ReplyDeletei bet all the big insurance ceo's are just licking their lips hoping this bill will pass. thanks for screwing things up, nancy.
ReplyDeleteIf you're "rich" and paying more taxes than everyone else, you have a shitty accountant.
ReplyDeleteJAG: I was talking about the people in this "backwards Ozark Mountain town" giving people the shirt off their back. Most people elsewhere wouldn't give you the time of day.
RQ is well educated and cultured, I have no doubt. Not that that will matter to the houseful of cats she grows old with.
"JAG said...
ReplyDeleteI'm probably not near as financially well off as RQ,..."
I suspect RQ doesn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
"Rocket Queen said...
ReplyDeleteseriously, I feel for men, having to listen to this shit from women all the time. Fucking raging hormones and general malaise and aches and fucking pains and hurt feelings. walking on egg shells. because you're stupid and have nothing to fall back on except the same old song and dance."
And this is exactly why I keep sugar babies.
I wasn't boo-hoo-hooing......
ReplyDeleteI was saying we are very fortunate.
I'm sorry if you view it as "stupid" or "weak" to feel compassion for those who are less fortunate, rather than stand on a pedastool and point a finger.
I dont know where they came from or what they've been through to bring them to the place they're at in life. Like the saying, "Never judge a man until youve walked a mile in his shoes..."
If my thinking is wrong in this aspect, please someone correct me, but it doesn't feel wrong to me.
RQ, I am for the healthcare reform. Although, I agree with spurs that it needs alot more work.
ReplyDeleteI have been on both sides. I've made a lot of money and I've also made very little. I've seen healthcare as low as $60 a month for family health coverage and I've seen it at $400 a month. Ironically, it was the $10 an hour job I had that offered it at $400. People with money think it is so much easier than it is. I'm glad I've seen both sides. It does make me more appreciative for what I have now.
Too bad they didn't have health coverage based on a percentage that you make up to a certain dollar amount. That way it would make it more affordable to everybody.
bottom line is i feel every able bodied person should work and hold his/her own. i do not feel good about paying for some momma on welfare who exists in abject poverty only to spread her legs and crank out more babies, and ensures she never goes without her pint of whisky.
ReplyDeletei also get pissed if i go to the emergency room in Phoenix and see it overflowing with illegal aliens who cannot and will not pay their bill.
I have a lot of empathy for people who help themselves.
"God helps those who help themselves" see..even God agrees. I happen to be an atheist, but I'm happy when anyone agrees with me, even an imaginary sky fairy.
and please, spare me the "we feel sorry for you RQ because you don't believe in God"
ReplyDeleteHell is here on earth. So is Heaven.
toodles.
Man created God, not the other way around.
ReplyDeleteRQ: The problem with your philosophy that every able bodied person should work is that the jobs a significant number of Americans used to do no longer exist in this country, having been shipped overseas to increase the profits of corporate America, leaving the working class fucked.
ReplyDeleteCBT why don't you go on one of those fishing boats off the coast of alaska. You can have a captive audience for all your stories, which will mercifully be drowned out by the sound of waves and water sloshing on deck.
ReplyDeleteat least it will put some change in your pocket and keep you out of circulation for a while. it's a win/win situation for everyone, except those poor poor lobsters. poor things.
i mean some of those lobsters are 100 years old, they've overcome all kinds of adversity, only to be scooped up by some fat sloppy human like Drew, wearing khaki pants and a bib, his eager fingers greasy with butter.
ReplyDeletepoor lobsters. disgusting fat humans.
and if they are lucky, those lobsters get driven around the restaurant on a lobster cart, while fat hungry people eyeball them, all the while they are suffocating.
ReplyDeletepoor lobsters. i love lobsters - in the ocean, not on my plate.
but, yes, please, let us not speak of the deplorable things we do to animals in order to get a good meal.
ReplyDelete"we are a species that clamors to be lied to"
for all the supposed humanitarian acts, we are barbaric after all.
humane treatment.
I totally agree with you about the lobster thing RQ. I have always had to seperate in my mind the eating of animals with the actual killing of them.
ReplyDeleteI had no idea they left the lobster alive on the display table, until one night when our waiter was doing the presentation for us. I glanced at the lobster and a little tentacle came out from his mouth and wiggled.
It really upset me when I realized it was still alive, sitting there with its little claws strapped closed, slowly dying. That seems downright cruel to me.
I'm sure I sound ridiculous to most people because "its just a lobster" but I believe there is a way to do things humanely without any unneccessary suffering. Even when he wheeled the table away and parked it against the wall, I could see the little thing staring at me.
I know, I know, I probably sound over-dramatic but it really bothered me.
I agree 100% with JAG. It is inhumane and there is a way to do things with sensitivity and respect for creatures, even if they are to be eaten.
ReplyDeleteI would have bought the lobster and put him into some water and probably transported him to the nearest ocean.
I do what I can within the confines of my emotional and financial limitations.
I'm sorry you had to see that lobster struggling, that would have haunted me forever.
Jesus. I thought I was a misanthrope, but not to those levels. Civilization must be wonderful.
ReplyDeleteRQ: Want some Little Friskies coupons?
ReplyDeleteIt's cat food. I figured you might want to stock up for your old age companions.
ReplyDeleteI've never named my dick, btw. I always thought guys who did that were, well, more than a little fucked up in the head.
And I've never "boasted" about owning 10% of this station, just stated the fact. However as of November 1st, I'm no longer part owner. My partner and I reached an agreement so I sold out. Now I'm just an employee with plenty of "change in my pocket".
ReplyDeleteI wonder how much emotional distraught a Lion goes through as it rips apart a breathing animal piece by piece. This is usually done shortly after the animinal was on a mad sprint for it's life, and now lays defensless as it watches itself get eaten.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that we're human and attribute our emotion to everything. There's not a single animal out there that sheds a sliver of emotion for it's meal, I don't see how someone would conclude that our race is somehow "cruel."
One thing I do find messed up though, is how we punish animals for lashing out at humans. That to me is just a sign of a race gone arrogant. The idea that a dog would get put down because some negligent parent let her shitbag kid shove his hands all in the dogs face bothers the hell out of me. Or when you see these morons get mauled by a captive Bear and, oh no! That Bear is dangerous and no longer fit for these conditions of improsonment, he must be put down! Fuck that, I say we place a Darwin award on the deceased's casket and call it a day.
ReplyDeletehumans supposedly have a conscience. how would you feel if somebody just walked up to a loved one of yours and shot them in the face and just walked on like nothing happened? or what about the serial killers such as dahmer, berkowitz, gacy, lucas, etc? how do you feel about those people?
ReplyDeletealso when has a lion destroyed its own habitat for a parking lot?
ReplyDeleteWhen has a Lion created a habitat? Lions adapt to their settings, humans create their own. Your other question is irrelevent and is a horrible comparison.
ReplyDeleteEV: Good and insightful observations.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous: Humans are occasionally born sans conscience, or stripped of it during their developmental years. They're called sociopaths. Every one of the people you mentioned meet the criteria. They're not legally insane because they understand that society disapproves of their actions. They are not capable of being rehabilitated so they should either be locked away or put down. I prefer put down.
What about an animals emotion? Can anything even be said for that? Like I said, how much emotional distraught do you think an animal goes through as it tears apart another life in the most heartless way possible? After all, it could have bitten for a main artery or something instead of ripping out it's own body parts while it watches.
ReplyDeleteThat last part was sarcasm by the way. Good, old fashioned sarcasm.
ReplyDeleteI believe animals are capable of some levels of emotion, dogs in particular. Whether its innate or whether its an result of 10,000 years of association with humans is the question. I believe the latter.
ReplyDeleteIt's been said that humans are the only species who have the awareness of mortality.
Where's Wopness at? Is he crying about his shitty Giants?
ReplyDeleteSpurs: How about an opinion on my solutions to save America?
ReplyDeleteThe Giants suck.
Well, at first I thought your ideas was to hand out "sugar babies" for everyone.
ReplyDeleteBut this was good:
"While I favor healthcare reform, I'm pretty sure this bill isn't the answer. I used to think I favored a public option, but now I think that increased regulation of our current system (forcing the health insurance companies to do right, removing their ability to deny coverage for pre-exsisting conditions, regulating their executive pay, etc) might be an answer. Removing the health insurers exemption from antitrust legislation is probably the best part of this bill."
I also thought the line that Rocket Queen directed towards you about joining a fishing boat in Alaska was really funny. Sorry dude.
ReplyDeleteAnimals form bonds. Just look at birds, they bond for life.
ReplyDeleteHippos also form bonds. They grieve over family members that have died, and I once saw an incredible video of a group of hippos rescuing one of their own from an alligator.
- the fact that they must kill for food is not contradictory to the fact that all creatures form bonds.
Animals kill out instinct and necessity and nature dictates an ending to their prey that is as humane as possible.
You cannot equate inhumane killing and torture of animals by humans to what transpires in the wild.
I saw that video of the group of hippos saving another hippo from the alligators.
ReplyDeleteI actually have a pet alligator Giraffe. He lives in my bath tub.
BTW I miss u Spursy :) I got a new car this weekend and ive been out on the streets the last few days....
ReplyDeleteWhat's up *Miss Texas*? What kind of ride did you get?
ReplyDeleteElephants also form bonds and try to care for injured members of their herds.
ReplyDeleteSpurs: Sugar babies are not for everyone. It takes a level of emotional detachment from sex to deal with that type of relationship.
ReplyDeleteI'm also on a crusade to eliminate automated phone systems and legalize weed. Those two things would eliminate 50% of the stress factor in this country.
I hope you're not going to make shoes out of him, Spurs.
ReplyDeleteAt any rate, those maintaining animals have no emotions are just downright ignorant. And, even if they didn't have emotions, they do not deserve the treatment man dishes out to them in quest of the all mighty dollar.
Talking about factory farming, dragging "downed cattle" to the slaughter house, not ensuring a chicken is dead before dropping it into scalding water, butchering horses in front of one another, transporting animals under horrendous conditions. Making them suffer so that you all can go to the grocery store and find a neat package of hamburger or chicken breast, ignoring where it came from, while simultaneously parading around as "good" people.
It is wrong as a society to look the other way. So many profess to love animals in this country, but do little to speak out in the face of such inhumanity. And I ask why.
I will never understand people. never.
Spurs: Did you see the report about the guy in Oregon who called 911 to report his weed stolen?
ReplyDeleteCBT, I was at an animal sanctuary recently and a cow died. The "friends" of that cow mourned over the dead body. the made a circle around the body, nudging it very gently with their noses.
ReplyDeleteanimals deserve better.
Nature is not corrupted by greed and ego.
and now I must go.
ReplyDeleteI have little sympathy for cattle and none for chickens, but that fact that horses are used for food or are killed to be made into any sort of product is deplorable. I was raised around horses and find them to be the second most affectionate creature we've domesticated, after dogs.
ReplyDeleteyou have no sympathy for chickens because you are the lowest soldier in the pecking order.
ReplyDeletec-ya
"Spurs: Sugar babies are not for everyone. It takes a level of emotional detachment from sex to deal with that type of relationship."
ReplyDeleteYou are a maverick CBT. I think that's what I'm going to start calling you. Maverick.
"Rocket Queen said...
ReplyDeleteCBT, I was at an animal sanctuary recently and a cow died. The "friends" of that cow mourned over the dead body. the made a circle around the body, nudging it very gently with their noses."
I've seen the same thing, but the mourning was forgotten as soon as I dumped a bucket of corn into the feed trough. My dad always had issues with me as a kid for making pets out of animals that were destined to be food. That's probably the primary reason I never could, and still can't, stand farming. I'm glad we never had pigs because they have too much personality and I really like bacon.
Giraffe, no I'm not going to make shoes out of him.
ReplyDeleteHey Maverick, no I didn't see that about the dude calling to report his weed stolen.
ReplyDelete"Rocket Queen said...
ReplyDeleteyou have no sympathy for chickens because you are the lowest soldier in the pecking order."
I have no sympathy for chickens because they will freak out during thunderstorms and peck each other to death. Turkeys will look up at rain until they breathe in enough water to drown.
"SPURS FAN said...
You are a maverick CBT. I think that's what I'm going to start calling you. Maverick."
I'll take that and like it. I've been called worse.
Spurs:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26852192/vp/33793200#33793200
I think he also got popped for DUI.
CBT, don't say the word "Bacon" you know MIss Texas is trying to lose weight in order to make a video that please me, her Queen, and she has a penchant for those baconators.
ReplyDeleteThe day those go on the dollar menu, she will fall to her knees and give thanks.
no, do not call him that, that is my nickname and has been for over a decade.
ReplyDeletewell i gotta hit the gym and then eat lunch.
ReplyDeletecheerio
Thanks the for the link Maverick.
ReplyDeleteSpurs: I emailed you something and, no, it's not me in my Halloween costume.
ReplyDeleteDamn. Are you ever going to e-mail that pic?
ReplyDelete"Rocket Queen said...
ReplyDeleteCBT, don't say the word "Bacon" you know MIss Texas is trying to lose weight in order to make a video that please me, her Queen, and she has a penchant for those baconators.
The day those go on the dollar menu, she will fall to her knees and give thanks."
God, you're a mean old bitch, but that was funny.
Maverick was my nickname back in the rodeo days and in the Army. I know you have to hate that, Queenie.
"SPURS FAN said...
ReplyDeleteDamn. Are you ever going to e-mail that pic?"
I'm still somewhat reluctant to put my image out in public, right now.
Given any "wolf cookies" lately Tranny Queen?
ReplyDeleteWTD- How bout them cowboys? :)
ReplyDeleteTTYL gotta run
They called you Maverick in the rodeo and the Army because you were the first one to openly admit you like cock and women CBT.
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, you were a Maverick.
MTQT, I have to ask, what is a "wolf cookie"?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think Maverick? The whole world visits this site? Nobody you know is ever going to see it, so who cares?
ReplyDeleteThat was a funny e-mail Maverick.
ReplyDeleteSpurs: I've never had an interest in cock. I've never been able to understand how a man could look at another man's hairy ass and find love.
ReplyDelete"SPURS FAN said...
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think Maverick? The whole world visits this site? Nobody you know is ever going to see it, so who cares?"
You have a point. What are there now, 12 of us?
"SPURS FAN said...
ReplyDeleteThat was a funny e-mail Maverick."
RQ was the first thing, emphasis on "thing", I thought of when I saw it.
Btw, if my mother's next two doctor visits have good results, I'll be back in Little Rock by January 15th, maybe sooner.
ReplyDelete'You cannot equate inhumane killing and torture of animals by humans to what transpires in the wild.'
ReplyDeletethank you for making that a little....well, alot, easier for EV to understand.
My pleasure, anon.
ReplyDeletei think that the more 'civilized' we become the less human we are.
ReplyDeleteInsurance companies should not be allowed to deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions. This happened to us. My children were on their father's ins per court order, when he lost his job he stopped paying the ins. I tried to put her on my ins but since it was past the intial enrollment period they had the right to deny coverage and they did.
ReplyDeleteI have to say that I agree with RQ and JAG in regard to the inhumane treatment of animals.
elfie, that should fall back on your ex....not the insurance company. its not their fault he could not meet his obligations as a father.
ReplyDeleteMiss Texas - please stop putting yourself on par with Elfie. As much as our little Elfie has her problems, she far exceeds you in every facet of life. She's nowhere near your ghetto level and she has an intelligent nature about her.
ReplyDeleteI do not believe I have ever heard you make one solid intelligible argument; Your posts are littered with garbage - and so is your house. I'm sure you would have been injured in your accident were it not for the 100's of baconator wrappers on your car floorboard that cushioned the impact.
You're one of those welfare cases of which I am so resentful.
And, by the way, babycakes, I'm sure insurance paid for your new 12k car. You've never had more than $500 in the bank, I'm pretty confident.
Your socio-economic references are untrue. I lost a considerably amount of money recently. I'm afraid it's done little to alleviate my sense of superiority.
Long live the baconator, Miss Texas. Lardass.
'I'm sure you would have been injured in your accident were it not for the 100's of baconator wrappers on your car floorboard that cushioned the impact.'
ReplyDeletefunniest line of the week.
She was denied due to pre-existing conditions... and that was the point I was trying to make.
ReplyDeletewow. RQ actually said something almost positive about Elfie.
ReplyDeleteAs much as I like Miss Texas, I'm pretty sure she's never met a burrito she didn't like.
ReplyDeleteelfie,
ReplyDeletewas she covered under your ex husbands insurance? if so, then you should have that criminal ex of yours thrown in jail for violating a court order.
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Spurs: Google detected RQ.
I SEE RQ IS IN RARE FORM TODAY.
ReplyDeleteHELLO CAT LADY!
Anon~ She was against my wishes hence the per court order... and yes he should be in jail for a multitude of reasons including violating a court order and owing about 25k in back child support. I have filed everything I should for him to be held responsible but honestly no one in the state of arizona gives a flying fuck about a father who is not supporting his kids because mom is pretty self-sufficient. You better believe that if I were on Welfare they would be going after him.
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ReplyDeleteSPURS, someone found a pic. of Drew in drag, circa 1867!! Get choice of a post. How's Sat?
ReplyDeleteRQ what's up?
ReplyDeleteWhy am I singing "The bird, bird, bird. The bird's the word" all of a sudden
ReplyDeleteI think Pelicanitis is covered by Obamacare.
ReplyDeleteWell, well. Looks like RQ has herself an admirer.
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